Being a good Hans Haacke student part of his influence on me is that there's no difference between a gallery show and a film – or even an ad and a T-shirt-in terms of cultural legitimacy. They're just different contexts in which to have some sort of communication.
Civilization grew in the beginning from the minute that we had communication – particularly communication by sea that enabled people to get inspiration and ideas from each other and to exchange basic raw materials.
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When I did it with Johnny it was almost a telepathic kind of communication.